On Lawyer2Lawyer this Week: Transgender Rights and Bathroom Bills


With its “bathroom law,” North Carolina has become ground zero for a debate that is playing out in a number of states involving the transgender community, equal rights and equal access to public accommodations. North Carolina’s controversial law bans people from using bathrooms that don’t match the sex indicated on their birth certificates, which opponents argue is discriminatory toward the transgender community.

This week on the legal-affairs podcast Lawyer2Lawyer, we consider this issue with three guests:

  • Ilona Turner, legal director of the Transgender Law Center.
  • Andrew Beckwith , president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.
  • Katie Eyer, associate professor at Rutgers Law School and an expert in anti-discrimination law.

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  • Brandon Miller

    Here’s the epic fail of our society:
    We don’t fear God.
    Fear of the LORD is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgment. (Psalm 9:10)
    Conversely, suppressing or avoiding the knowledge of the Holy One results in the opposite of good judgement.
    Why should we fear God? He created everything (you, me, earth, everything). He owns everything. He has all power, so he can do whatever he wants. He’s holy. He also loves us more than any other in existence.
    For us, we involve ourselves in all manner of foolishness when we forget this: He is our judge.
    If he is our judge, which he is, we ought to get to know who he is and what the judgment criteria is.
    We know this: Those who haven’t repented (changed their minds about) their sin and turned to Christ (Jesus, God’s Son) to save them from the wrath of God–they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20).
    Christians will also be judged and rewarded for their faithful living.
    Christians don’t have an excuse for mistreating others and unrepentant sinners (unbelievers) have no excuse for not being thrown into the Lake of Fire. God is just and his judgments are right. There will be nobody who objects to what they receive because they will realize that God’s judgments are right.
    However–God has displayed his monumental love for us in that while we were still sinners (enemies, haters of God), he sent his Son to die in our place so that we may be forgiven.
    Here’s my opinion: Stop with the poor judgments. The only way to get around bad judgment is to fear God (this is a good,healthy fear that will lead to immense blessing for you).
    The solution: Share the Gospel (the good news)–that we don’t have to be thrown into the lake of fire because God loved us by sending His Son to pay the price we should’ve paid in the Lake of Fire.
    Shalom and may the Lord Jesus Christ bless you with life in abundance this very day!

    • Brandon Miller

      If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.” Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
      Romans 10:9-13 NLT

    • James Ratliff

      You base your life on a book written by a bronze age people that didn’t know what a cell or an atom was or even where the sun went at night.
      Man that is sick!

  • Good dialogue between both sides of the issue on a tough issue. Kudos to the guests for representing their positions well. Thanks to the hosts for keeping it balanced. Unfortunately, I don’t think legislation is the answer for personal prejudice. I think the civil rights movement is a good example of how you can make it against the law to discriminate in government and business but you can’t stop racism and bigotry. Even if you do make it lawful for anyone to use any bathroom or dressing room they like, it’s the patrons, not the businesses that will make the LGTB community feel harassed and unsafe, regardless of the law. That aggression from other patrons will be kindled by their outrage over the law that was intended to keep LGTB safe. Fortunately, it appears that the private sector is now mediating between these competing interests. Many businesses are voluntarily offering unisex bathrooms where everyone can feel safe. Maybe if we can get lawyers and politicians to ease up a little, the problem will sort itself without legislation that alienates large groups of people.

    • Bob Ambrogi

      I agree that you can’t legislate against prejudice. But I think that anti-discrimination laws do help change attitudes over time, as one aspect of broader efforts to raise awareness.